My Views on the Women and Female Labour Party Politicians Claire Short and Harriet Harmen and their Views and Criticisms of all Female Nudity in the F

My Views on the Women and Female Labour Party Politicians Claire Short and Harriet Harmen and their Views and Criticisms of all Female Nudity in the Form of Erotic Naked Performers and Pornography

First of all, I would like to say, that as an occasional Labour Party voter, and as a person and human being, I am very fond of both women and female Labour Party politicians Claire Short (of more or less so-called Old Labour), and Harriet Harmen (or so-called New Labour). Both Claire Short and Harriet Harmen, have quite often condemned and criticised the fairly right-wing working-class tabloid newspaper, The Sun, for their page-three naked women page, as being sexist and never saying anything about the need for social, sexual, and economic equality between women and men.

At first, I totally disagreed with Claire Short and Harriet Harmen about pornography and The Sun newspaper's naked women page-three page, because I thought that they were simply being very narrow-minded, partial, and sexually puritanical, as a lot of so-called socialists unfortunately still actually are.

I then realised, that whilst Claire Short and Harriet Harmen were making some partial and over-generlising statements about public nudity in the form of pornography and page-three, I also then realised that their main objection to page-three naked women, was that it wasn't so much the nudity that they objected too, but that the way they saw, understood, and perceived this, was that these women were being objectified by the men of The Sun newspaper and their newspaper-buyers, readers, and supporters, and that these women as they saw, perceived, and understood it were being used or exploited in this way, and seen and treated as sexually submissive to and for men.

I sort of agree with the context of their page-three criticisms, and whilst there are problems with pornography, in that it can create or increase some sexual perversions like non-consensual sadism and masochism, it can also be a harmless and positive sexual aphrodisiac and stimulant, if combined with actual more or less free and equal sexual relationships between men and women.

This also, all in a way all depends upon the reasons why these female pornography models want to do this - whether it is through poverty, or through choice because they feel it empowers them sexually as women - and it all depends on how this nudity is experienced by men, because when some men like myself see naked women, we do not objectify these women and the naked images of them, but we experience these naked women as looking out and objectifying or sexually enjoying us as men.

Also Harriet Harmen, has recently said on a few occasions, that she wants to ban naked women strip-clubs in local areas, if the local councils and local women don't want them in their local area. Again, I agree with part of her protest about some men objectifying and seeing women as sexually submissive, but Harriet Harmen's views against strip-clubs, are again somewhat partial, sexually puritanical again - not looking at the whole social reality of pornography and nudity - and are a very middle-class socialist set of ideas about sexuality and erotica.

Maybe Harriet Harmen is right that strip-clubs are an unhealthy and bad thing, if they in some ways objectify and see and treat women as sexually submissive, but this all depends on the whole reality and picture of sexuality, the contexts of it and how it is differently experienced and perceived by men and women, and by different types of men and different types of women socially and sexually.

Also, what Harriet Harmen never seems to realise, nor ever mentions, is that there are also lots of strip-clubs for overall working-class women, with male nude men posing and stripping for these women. Unlike the male strip-clubs, where the men are not allowed to actually touch the naked posing women female performers, in the female overall working- class women's strip-clubs, these women are allowed and actually end-up having sex with these male nude models and performers on the stage, and as part of the so-called pornographic or erotic nude male stripping and performance.

Will Harrier Harmen please tell me and others, that if she wants to ban men's strip clubs, then what is she going to do about these overall working-class women's strip clubs, where these women enjoy both looking at and having sex with the naked male performers? Because again, her views about nudity in the form of erotic performers and so-called pornography, are very puritanical middle-class socialist prejudices and opinions, half-truths, and sexually puritanical partial opinions?

If Harriet Harmen is going to ban all and both men and women's strip-clubs, is she also going to tell these working-class women - who are much more sexually expressive and extroverted than middle-class women like her - that they can't have their own strip-clubs and do these things they enjoy and like to do with naked male performers?

Because what's good for the goose is good for the gander, these women have much more sexual freedom, sexual assertiveness or dominance, and sexual expression and pleasure - in these certain situations and contexts with naked erotic male performers than men do with naked women erotic performers - and if she is not going to ban ALL and both men's and women's strip-clubs, then her views and arguments on these issues and matters are contradictory, again partial, and sexually, socially, politically, and ideologically very middle-class, very sexually puritanical, and very incoherent.

Peter H. Donnelly
2010